ITREB is manned 100% by ismailis who have taken the ismaili oath of office. The IIS is manned at all levels by many non-ismailis who are not bound by the constitution. Why then, are Farmans asked to be sent to IIS and not ITREB?

[Note: Extracts of Federal Court Transcripts of Cross-Examinations held August 2010 for Summary Judgement Motions in the Aga Khan Copyright Lawsuit
Sections starting with N. Tajdin #... Means Nagib Tajdin is the one answering questions in the next section
Sections starting with Jiwa #... Means Alnaz Jiwa is the one answering questions in the next section
Sections starting with Sachedina #... Means Shafik Sachedina is the one answering questions in the next section
Sections starting with Bhaloo #... Means Aziz Bhaloo is the one answering questions in the next section
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Sachedina #14 -#19:
Cross-Examination by Mr Jiwa.
Q. Now, you said earlier that you did review some materials. Can you elaborate on that? What materials did you review? I heard you say something about the Institute as well, you reviewed some documents?
A. Yes, I have read through the Constitution, which was at the Institute as well. There's copies there. I have looked at all the materials vis-a-vis the farmans as well. Because from my point of view, the documents are also kept at the IIS as well, the final text that we also have there.
Q. So all the final text of farmans are kept at IIS?
A. No. At the Imamat level, at the Institute level, so -- and at the Department of Jamati Institution.
Q. So at the Institute, the final copy of the farmans are not kept?
A. We have a copy.
Q. At the Institute?
A. True, because --
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Q. And, I'm sorry, I'm actually lost. Is there a copy at the Institute or there's no copy at the Institute?
A. No. Farmans, as I said, once they have been approved and authorized by Hazar Imam -- Hazar Imam, which is His Highness.
MR. GRAY: H-a-z-a-r, new word, I-m-a-m.
THE DEPONENT: Once they are released by the Imam, we always have a copy at the Secretariat, at the Imam's office. We also have one at the Institute in our -- for archival purposes.
Q. You said one you have it at the Secretariat as well?
A. The 'Secretariat,' that means the Secretariat of His Highness, and the Department of Jamati Institutions.

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Sachedina #208 - #214:
Cross-Examination by Mr Jiwa.
Q. But there are many non-Ismaili members appointed to the Institute?
A. Yes, only as part of the board of governors But the Imam -- the chairman is the Imam of the Time.
Q. I understand. The jamati institutions that we spoke with earlier that announcements are made in talika, those are all hundred per cent Ismaili appointees?
A. Correct. The jamati appointments are constitutional bodies.
Q. And in the Institute there are non-Ismaili who are appointed there, aren't there?
A. Yes, all the directors on the board of governors.
Q. And the employees, there are no non-Ismailis there?
A. There are people. But what I'm saying is this is an institution, and the centrality of its work a tariqa, but also other, Shia Islam and Islamic in general.
Q. But what I'm trying to say, and perhaps if you could just listen, is ITREB is hundred per cent Ismaili men?
A. ITREB is a constitutional body.
Q. Right. And hundred per cent Ismaili men; yes?
A. Correct.
Q. Institute is not hundred per cent Ismaili men. There's a difference between the two, isn't there?
A. But I explained to you the Institute has a board of governors and they have a staff with maybe Ismailis and non-Ismailis, but the Imam is the chair of the Institute.
Q. And those members who are appointed to the Institute don't take this oath of office that we spoke of earlier?
A. No. They are directors.
Q. Even the members who are appointed to Institute, those employees, they did not take an oath of office?
A. No. This is an institution for learning.

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Sachedina #928:
Cross-Examination by Mr Tajdin.
Q. And you are -- are you governor of the IIS?
A. I am a governor of the Institute.

Sachedina started saying that he had nothing to do with Miss Parkes' correspondance with Mr Tajdin. However, he was not able to stick to that story.

[Note: Extracts of Federal Court Transcripts of Cross-Examinations held August 2010 for Summary Judgement Motions in the Aga Khan Copyright Lawsuit
Sections starting with N. Tajdin #... Means Nagib Tajdin is the one answering questions in the next section
Sections starting with Jiwa #... Means Alnaz Jiwa is the one answering questions in the next section
Sections starting with Sachedina #... Means Shafik Sachedina is the one answering questions in the next section
Sections starting with Bhaloo #... Means Aziz Bhaloo is the one answering questions in the next section
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Sachedina #943 - #947:
Cross-Examination by Mr Tajdin.
Q. This is last question. Last question. The first letter dated 24th January was sent to me on 11th of February from Aiglemont. Did you give -- was it you who gave my address to Ms. Parkes, sent it to the DHL --
A. Sorry, to the DHL address?
Q. Yes.
A. No, I had nothing to do.
Q. Okay.
A. It was Ms. Parkes. Ms. Parkes dealt with you directly on this matter.
Q. But Mrs. --
A. I was only informed subsequently.
Q. Okay. So if Mrs. Parkes has never received the address from me, would it mean she has received it from you?
A. She would have asked if I have the address. Because I have the addresses of lots of people, and if she asked me would I have, because they all know that I have been in contact with you and we are in contact with each other, we have been in contact. So it's only natural that she would look to somebody so who is in contact with you.

Mr Sachedina maintains that the Imam's comment about Leaders in London during Golden Jubilee was incomplete. This statement is shown to be false.

[Note: Extracts of Federal Court Transcripts of Cross-Examinations held August 2010 for Summary Judgement Motions in the Aga Khan Copyright Lawsuit
Sections starting with N. Tajdin #... Means Nagib Tajdin is the one answering questions in the next section
Sections starting with Jiwa #... Means Alnaz Jiwa is the one answering questions in the next section
Sections starting with Sachedina #... Means Shafik Sachedina is the one answering questions in the next section
Sections starting with Bhaloo #... Means Aziz Bhaloo is the one answering questions in the next section
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N. Tajdin # 210.
Cross-Examination by Mr Gray.
Q. Okay. We will get back to that, then. Now, have you ever accused the leadership before of forging?
A. Of forging? Never.

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N. Tajdin #213:
Cross-Examination by Mr Gray.
Q. You have accused the leadership of misrepresenting His Highness' instructions before, haven't you?
A. Sometimes, it has, and in fact, His Highness has confirmed in London recently that sometimes it tells his leader, and they don't tell his followers. So, the message is not always passed.
Q. What are you referring to?
A. I am referring to a Farmans met by His Highness in London during Golden Jubilee.
Q. And what does that Farmans say?
A. It says, the leader asked me, I tell them but I don't know if they tell you, or something like that. It is not an exact quote.

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Sachedina #426:
Cross-Examination by Mr Jiwa.
Q. But I'm going to give you an example, that in Golden Jubilee in London, he said in the jamat khana in the presence of thousands of -- or the whole jamat that his leaders do not convey his message to the jamats, he is not sure of that. You agree with that; right? You were there.
A. I was there, but as I said to you, that it was not completed, the sentence wasn't completed, his chain of thoughts were not completed.

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Sachedina #850 - #861:
Cross-Examination by Mr Tajdin.
Q. ...Now, you mention the sentence that the Imam was going to stay in London during Golden Jubilee about the leaders was cut off?
A. No. I said he didn't -- he didn't finish his sentence and there was an interruption. That's all I can remember.
Q. Okay.
A. Because he himself told me afterwards, so that's how I remember.
Q. Can we take that as under -- how do you call it? Undertaking to have his -- I don't want the tape of the farman. I just want that one minute. From the moment he says that the jamat may be wondering why I'm making this farman up to the time people started clapping. That's one minute. Can I have that one minute?
MR. GRAY: Well, if you want to explain something.
THE DEPONENT: Let me tell you, the farmans are privileged communications between the murid and the Imam.
BY MR. TAJDIN:
Q. So I understand that as to be no?
A. I would say to you that this, whatever it is, is in the public domain, and to put any text, my humble view is that --
Q. Mr. Sachedina, partly I would agree with you, because as everybody knows, you have not put the book in the court and I have not done that also, nor has Alnaz done that. So we have all agreed it is remain between Ismailis. We don't dispute that. You have stated that the sentence was cut off. This is why we need that tape, that one minute. Unless you agree that the sentence was not cut off and there is a two-second blank, there is no sound, and then people start applauding to the statement, I would like to have that tape from you. One minute. I don't need the whole farman. That one sentence --
A. On record.
Q. On record plus --
MR. GRAY: On the record here?
THE DEPONENT: Can I share that with you outside this record?
BY MR. TAJDIN:
Q. You know, I'm not a lawyer. Honestly, I have a copy of the tape. So because you have put on record that the sentence was not completed, and having the copy of the tape, I know the sentence was complete. We need to prove it. I don't want it to become a fight between us.
A. No.
Q. But you are saying what I'm saying the opposite. If you produce that one minute, it will prove conclusively that the sentence was completed, there was a two-second gap, and everybody started applauding. Everybody was happy about the statement from the Imam, that the leaders are not necessarily conveying his message?
MR. GRAY: You'd have to put it in evidence now.
MR. TAJDIN: Because you have stated the contrary, that the sentence was not finished. If there is no dispute on that -- and I'm not asking the whole tape.
MR. GRAY: You're giving evidence yourself now. I mean this is --
MR. TAJDIN: Well, because we are talking of --
MR. GRAY: If you wanted to put it in evidence, you could have done so.
MR. TAJDIN: Okay. Mr. Brian, let's take it as an undertaking --
MR. GRAY: No, we will not.
MR. TAJDIN: We need that one minute to prove if, yes or no, you are right.
THE DEPONENT: I'm sorry, but I'm really not getting this at all as to what is the rationale behind this question. Because I told you that we have -- what Imam has authorized for the release of that farman, Imam has authorized. Which is out to the jamat.
BY MR. TAJDIN:
Q. Mr. Sachedina --
A. By the Imam.
Q. -- the question was -- you would allow me to say it again because you replied to me in that way, that the sentence was not completed about what the Imam said on the leaders --
A. No. I said his chain of thought was not completed. You heard me. He was not able to --
Q. So now, Mr. Sachedina, we need that one-minute recording, not more.
MR. GRAY: No.
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BY MR. TAJDIN.
Q. Just that recording. You can give me the last word of the recording up to the moment people start clapping?
MR. GRAY: No.
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MR. TAJDIN: Well, we need to prove conclusively that the sentence was completed and there was a silence after that.
MR. GRAY: You have a copy of it. I guess if you felt you should --
MR. TAJDIN: But, you know, I'm asking the question. I'm not replying here. I can't produce it; right? I cannot go home and bring the tape.
MR. GRAY: If you felt you needed to put it into evidence, you should have done so. As you yourself said, we are not anxious to put farmans in --
MR. TAJDIN: Yes, but with all respect due, I was not aware that there will be in this examination a statement which is not representing what the tape is showing.
MR. GRAY: Well --
MR. TAJDIN: If I was aware, obviously I would have brought it into --
MR. GRAY: My current position is no, but I will consider it. I'll reconsider it.
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MR. TAJDIN: Thank you. Thank you for considering.